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they are armed i assume. >> bill: senator marco rubio enters the no spin zone. lots of questions about the election and where the republic party is republican party is headed. coming right back. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actual like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. so we created the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. around a bed with dualair technology that allows you to adjust to the support your body needs - each of your bodies. our sleep professionals will help you find your sleep number setting. exclusively at a sleep number store. sleep number. comfort individualized. this holiday season, give the gift that's magical: the innovative airfit adjustable pillow at special 30% savings. gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone...but her likes 50% more ca
they are armed i assume. >> bill: senator marco rubio enters the no spin zone. lots of questions about the election and where the republic party is republican party is headed. coming right back. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actual like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this...
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they are armed i assume. >> bill: senator marco rubio enters the no spin zone. lots of questions about the election and where the election and where the republic party is the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone...but her likes 50% more cash. but i'm upping my game. do you want a candy cane? yes! do you want the puppy? yes! do you want a tricycle? yes! do you want 50 percent more cash? no! ♪ festive. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on every purchase plus a 50% annual bonus on the cash you earn. it's the card for people who like more cash. what's in your wallet? >> bill: in the impact segment tonight about a month after the presidential election there are still some very hard feelings on the part of americans who expected mitt romney to defeat president obama. state of florida was key with the president winning by just 74,000 votes. out of more than 8 million cast. joining us now from washington is senator marco rubio a republican from florida. fi
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there are new faces of the republican party, florida senator marco rubio and congressman paul ryan of wisconsin appearing together last night at the jack kemp foundation awards dinner in washington, trying to rebrand themselves and their party after a bruising setback in november. cnn political editor paul steinhauser live from washington this morning. paul ryan got hammered during the election. is he dialing back the rhetoric now? >> this was ryan's first speech since the election. both he and rubio seemed to be talking about how the republican party needs to be a party that's more inclusive, helping those in the lower associatio economic levels to rise up and prove their standing. both of them, ryan specifically talked about how he was proud of the campaign and that he mitt romney ran this past year. both men seemed to be critical of romney's controversial comments that 47% of the nation is beholding of the government and feels that the government is responsible to take care of them. take a listen to what both men said. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and th
there are new faces of the republican party, florida senator marco rubio and congressman paul ryan of wisconsin appearing together last night at the jack kemp foundation awards dinner in washington, trying to rebrand themselves and their party after a bruising setback in november. cnn political editor paul steinhauser live from washington this morning. paul ryan got hammered during the election. is he dialing back the rhetoric now? >> this was ryan's first speech since the election. both...
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. >>> senator marco rubio was honored last night at the dinner for the kent pound dafoundation featured paul ryan who wasted no time trying out some 2016 jokes. >> marco is joining in an elite group of past recipients for this award. two of us so far, i'll see you at the reunion dinner, table for two, do you know any good diners in new hampshire, iowa? >> you get it. when rubio took the stage, he revealed to the crowd that he paid off his student loans from law school just this year. thanks to the sale of his book. >>> well, casino billionaire who reportedly spent $150 million on mostly losing republican campaigns this year tells the "wall street journal" he'll double down on his donations next time, that he will not have to look far to find the money. the journal says he's just received a $1.2 billion bonus from his sands corporation ahead of any tax increases that come could come out of the fiscal cliff negotiations. >>> and finally, politico reports ashley judd is seriously considering a run for mitch mcconnell's senate seat in kentucky. judd has talked with new york senator gillibra
. >>> senator marco rubio was honored last night at the dinner for the kent pound dafoundation featured paul ryan who wasted no time trying out some 2016 jokes. >> marco is joining in an elite group of past recipients for this award. two of us so far, i'll see you at the reunion dinner, table for two, do you know any good diners in new hampshire, iowa? >> you get it. when rubio took the stage, he revealed to the crowd that he paid off his student loans from law school just...
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marco rubio of florida was asked about the question of the best leadership in washington, d.c. instead of an official pop li politician, he named robert griffin iii. morris said that mitt romney would win in a landslide with 325 electoral votes. he also made the prediction that president obama might pull out of the race. >>> a new "washington post"/abc news poll said that hillary clinton would be approved for president obama. and another path said that michelle obama would do well. right now she leads republican senator mark kirk of illinois 51-40%. >>> so a new congressional report shows wasteful spending of tax money that was intended for counter-terrorism purposes, some of the worst examples, the homeland security department paid for a hog catcher in texas. a fish tank and an underwater robot in a midwest city with no major rivers or lakes nearby. former republican senator allen simpson has a message, use the tools to sign up people for the can kicks back campaign to avoid the fiscal cliff and cut the national debt. the 81-year-old simpson went "gangnam style" to make his po
marco rubio of florida was asked about the question of the best leadership in washington, d.c. instead of an official pop li politician, he named robert griffin iii. morris said that mitt romney would win in a landslide with 325 electoral votes. he also made the prediction that president obama might pull out of the race. >>> a new "washington post"/abc news poll said that hillary clinton would be approved for president obama. and another path said that michelle obama would do...
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rubio joined together to block it out of fear that it threatens the sovereignty of the united states even though again the treaty would require no changes to u.s. laws since our nation already passed laws to assist the disabled on which this treaty is based rather than doing what's right for the nation in the entire world republicans in the senate use this treaty to scare the hell out of their base and warn of a nameless faceless global un that they say is trying to take over the united states nothing could be further from the truth and even more ironic is that these same republicans support free trade agreements like nafta and the trans-pacific partnership which actually do threaten our sovereignty on behalf of transnational corporations it's time for some sanity you know it's. now it's turned over to our lower liberal rubble. it's was are you ready to rumble join you for tonight's long liberal rumble are francesca chambers editor and publisher at red alert politics and neil munro white house correspondent for the daily caller thank you both for being here let's get right into this
rubio joined together to block it out of fear that it threatens the sovereignty of the united states even though again the treaty would require no changes to u.s. laws since our nation already passed laws to assist the disabled on which this treaty is based rather than doing what's right for the nation in the entire world republicans in the senate use this treaty to scare the hell out of their base and warn of a nameless faceless global un that they say is trying to take over the united states...
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you've been speaking a lot lately to senator marco rubio, had a sit-down conversation with him. i guess when you talked to him, you took another crack at that science question. clarify an answer he gave to "gq" when he was asked about the age of the earth. remember, senator rubio took a little grief, saying that he was not qualified to answer the question, calling it, quote, one of life's great mysteries. remember, i'm not a scientist, man, the whole thing. yesterday, mike, i guess you spoke to him as part of the "playbook" breakfast and you gave him a chance to explain that answer. let's listen. >> how old do you think the earth is? >> first of all, the answer i gave was trying to make the same point the president made a few years ago, and that is there is no scientific debate on the age of the earth. i mean, it's established it. pretty definitively. at least 4.5 billion years old. i was referring to a theological debate which is a pretty healthy debate. >> mike, what did you come away with talking to marco rubio yesterday? >> people in the room came away thinking that he was r
you've been speaking a lot lately to senator marco rubio, had a sit-down conversation with him. i guess when you talked to him, you took another crack at that science question. clarify an answer he gave to "gq" when he was asked about the age of the earth. remember, senator rubio took a little grief, saying that he was not qualified to answer the question, calling it, quote, one of life's great mysteries. remember, i'm not a scientist, man, the whole thing. yesterday, mike, i guess...
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look at susanna martinez, ted cruz, marco rubio, et cetera, to see where we have leading voices. >> rick: last question, and quickly, optimism for the future of the gop? >> very optimistic. i was with jake and meghan not too long ago at the massachusetts republican convention today where we saw 60 cr's come out before their finals, not 24 days after suffering the defeat here in boston and just to see such positive and positive enthusiasm for the future. these kids are ready to get on their campuses in the spring and start recruiting. >> rick: great to speak with all three of you. hope we can keep the conversation going over the next couple of years. >> thanks for having us. >> arthel: coming up, american students are racking up loans and they're doing it fast, owing nearly $1 trillion and taxpayers may be on the line. could there be a repeat of the subprime mortgage crisis? >> rick: a favor repaid after super storm sandy, a group of new orleans firefighters traveling to new york city will tell you how they plan to help. >> it's a helpless feeling right now. as you can see, you have peopl
look at susanna martinez, ted cruz, marco rubio, et cetera, to see where we have leading voices. >> rick: last question, and quickly, optimism for the future of the gop? >> very optimistic. i was with jake and meghan not too long ago at the massachusetts republican convention today where we saw 60 cr's come out before their finals, not 24 days after suffering the defeat here in boston and just to see such positive and positive enthusiasm for the future. these kids are ready to get...
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at the same dinner a more sober, compassionate, marco rubio emerged as a champion for the, let's see if you can guess. >> middle class, american middle class, great american middle class. vibrant and stable middle class. m middle class job creator. middle class. >> with 35 mentions in one speech, rubio made his love for the middle class clear. his solution what ails the middle class, tax cuts. >> they do not create rapid economic growth. you can't open or grow a business if your taxes are too high or uncertain. that's why i personally opposed the president's plan to raise taxes. we should keep rates low on everyone. >> paul ryan, meanwhile, channel his inner ian rand, the problem for the american poor is a bloated federal government. a bloated federal government that wants to spend too much to help the poor. >> government's approach has been to expand bureaucracy and spend lots of money on bloated top-down anti-poverty programs. we're trying to measure compassion by how much we spend not by how many people we help. >> the takeaway, we care. we care about the same things we always car
at the same dinner a more sober, compassionate, marco rubio emerged as a champion for the, let's see if you can guess. >> middle class, american middle class, great american middle class. vibrant and stable middle class. m middle class job creator. middle class. >> with 35 mentions in one speech, rubio made his love for the middle class clear. his solution what ails the middle class, tax cuts. >> they do not create rapid economic growth. you can't open or grow a business if...
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. >> he was an early supporter of florida senator marco rubio. now the gop star, incoming senator cruz who tells mike lee all on the demint list. while 15 won primaries just seven are united states senators today. many party leaders, in fact, blame demint for high-profile senate losses in indiana, delaware, colorado and nevada and in a statement made yesterday minority leader mitch mcconnell said this. i thank senator demint for his uncompromising service to south carolina and our country in the united states senate. service. he probably wishes he was a little less compromising. that's how you can tell the ones secretly happy he was leaving. you heard phraseology like that. demint leaves the senate a month after conservatives were set back by obama's re-election. demint's 2010 network was $65,000. heritage current president made over $1 million in 2010. it's also a powerful statement about where demint believes he can have the most influence as a movement conservative. outside elected office. >> i think i'm in a more pow powerful position than a
. >> he was an early supporter of florida senator marco rubio. now the gop star, incoming senator cruz who tells mike lee all on the demint list. while 15 won primaries just seven are united states senators today. many party leaders, in fact, blame demint for high-profile senate losses in indiana, delaware, colorado and nevada and in a statement made yesterday minority leader mitch mcconnell said this. i thank senator demint for his uncompromising service to south carolina and our country...
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last night congressman paul ryan senator marco rubio attended a dinner honoring the late anti-tax supply sider jack kemp. ryan distanced himself at that dinner from mitt romney's now notorious 47% remarks. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we need need to speak to the aspirations -- [ applause ] we must speak to the aspirations and the anxieties of every american. >> jennifer: wonder why he wasn't telling romney that on the campaign. anyway romney and rubio then were up there joking that they're going to be seeing a lot of each other on the 2016 iowa, new hampshire, south carolina dinner circuit. so, of course, for the latest on the republicans quixotic branding campaign, we're going to turn to christine pelosi, chair of the women's caucus in her fabulous pink blazer. her political analysis can be found on politico's arena section. what do you think? do you think democrats would like a shot at running against ryan again or is rubio preferrable or is there another character out t
last night congressman paul ryan senator marco rubio attended a dinner honoring the late anti-tax supply sider jack kemp. ryan distanced himself at that dinner from mitt romney's now notorious 47% remarks. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we need need to speak to the aspirations -- [ applause ] we must speak to the aspirations and the anxieties of every american. >>...
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congressman paul ryan and marco rubio said this. >> an election has come and gone. the people have made their choice. the policy makers still have a duty to choose between ideas that work and those that don't. when one economic policy after another has failed our working families, it's no answer to simply express compassion for them or to create more government programs that offer promise but don't perform. instead we must come together and advance new strategies for lifting people out of poverty. >> our complicated and uncertain tax code is also hindering the creation of middle class jobs. you can't open or grow a business if your taxes are too high or too uncertain. that's why i personally oppose the president's plan to raise taxes. [ applause ] this isn't about a pledge. it isn't about protecting millionaires and billionaires. for me, it's about the fact that tax increases he wants would fail to make even a small dent in the debt, but it would hurt middle class businesses and the people who work for them. >> steve: the president wants to raise the top tax rate fo
congressman paul ryan and marco rubio said this. >> an election has come and gone. the people have made their choice. the policy makers still have a duty to choose between ideas that work and those that don't. when one economic policy after another has failed our working families, it's no answer to simply express compassion for them or to create more government programs that offer promise but don't perform. instead we must come together and advance new strategies for lifting people out of...
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bill o'reilly talked to marco rubio a star on the republican side. he said 85 billion a year if rates go up to 39 percent. it is nothing but symbolic, listen. >> my parents worked in the service industry and beaut a house. we always had more than we needed thank god and thank this country. it is only going to be possible in the future if we have limited government and free enterprise. people come here from all over the world to get rid of big government. i don't understand why we don't do a better job of lay out. i hope to be one of a multile voice to make that argument. it is the only way forward. we'll never be able to raise taxings. you can't generate enough. we need new taxpayers. >> gretchen: we didn't get our message out effectively enough. that is so true. the republicans actually have a legitimate message when it comes to the fact. if we increase taxings democrats have to cut entitlements. somewhere it gets lost in the shuffle. we ard from the president if we communicated better you would like my plan. what about the republicans, do we need a
bill o'reilly talked to marco rubio a star on the republican side. he said 85 billion a year if rates go up to 39 percent. it is nothing but symbolic, listen. >> my parents worked in the service industry and beaut a house. we always had more than we needed thank god and thank this country. it is only going to be possible in the future if we have limited government and free enterprise. people come here from all over the world to get rid of big government. i don't understand why we don't do...
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that's followed by interviewed with florida senator marco rubio . ♪ this weekend on c-span 3 american history tv. follow harry truman's eldest grandson as the city prepared to mark the dropping of the atomic bomb. will join us in washington to discuss meetings with bomb survivor and the inspiration for the trip sunday at 9:00 p.m. eerp on c-span 3. you're watching c-span2 politics and public affairs weekdays featuring live coverage of the u.s. senate. on weeknights watch key public policy events and every weekend the latest author and books on booktv. you can sigh past programs and get the schedule on the website. you can join in the conversation on social media sites. british chancellor told the house that the country is quote on course to meet budget starlights over the next five years. he's requested about the report on the british budget. >> order. statement the chancellor of the -- the british economy is healing. the biggest financial crash of our lifetime. the problems at home and abroad. at home we live with the decade of debt. and the failure to great britain to compete in the
that's followed by interviewed with florida senator marco rubio . ♪ this weekend on c-span 3 american history tv. follow harry truman's eldest grandson as the city prepared to mark the dropping of the atomic bomb. will join us in washington to discuss meetings with bomb survivor and the inspiration for the trip sunday at 9:00 p.m. eerp on c-span 3. you're watching c-span2 politics and public affairs weekdays featuring live coverage of the u.s. senate. on weeknights watch key public policy...
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florida senator marco rubio and wisconsin congressman paul ryan will layout their vision -gs for the futurvisions for the future of the g.o.p. as another group of proimmigration conservatives are taking to capitol hill today to make their case for reforms that they believe would help grow the republican voter base. will any of this reach key republicans? joining us for a fair & balanced debate, simon rosenberg, a former clinton campaign adviser and president and founder of ndn, just for clarity, a democrat. and the former chairman of the republican party of virginia. kate, does the republican party mead to change its position on immigration? >> well, does it darn dash no it needs to actually star, it needs to talk bim congratulations. strstrategic decisions were made to stay away from the issues that affected these democrat i cans that the republicans did terrible with. the democrats define you on these positions, then as anti-immigration or as the president defined the republicans as the enemy of latino, he actually used that word. rips have to start being savvy and realize that the
florida senator marco rubio and wisconsin congressman paul ryan will layout their vision -gs for the futurvisions for the future of the g.o.p. as another group of proimmigration conservatives are taking to capitol hill today to make their case for reforms that they believe would help grow the republican voter base. will any of this reach key republicans? joining us for a fair & balanced debate, simon rosenberg, a former clinton campaign adviser and president and founder of ndn, just for...
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rubio, we have rand paul, pat toomey. they would not have gotten to the senate without jim demint. he will be a huge force bringing country back. jon: we'll hear a lot from him in the days ahead. monica, yulely, thank you both. >> thank you. heather: coming up two brothers face a judge accused of plotting a terror attack on u.s. soil. a live report coming up. >>> nasa struggling to find its footing after retiring the shuttle program. we'll take a look at a new study suggesting that underfunding could threaten america's future in space. >> all three engines up and burning. two, one, zero and lift-off, the finalist off of atlantis on the shoulders of the space shuttle. america will continue the dream. jon: that was the final space shuttle launch july 8th, 2011 signaling the end of an era for nasa. federal funding for the space agency has fallen flat. it has come under constant threats of more cuts in recent years. a new study suggests that underfunding and lack of focus could lead to nasa's demise. despite the mars rover cu
rubio, we have rand paul, pat toomey. they would not have gotten to the senate without jim demint. he will be a huge force bringing country back. jon: we'll hear a lot from him in the days ahead. monica, yulely, thank you both. >> thank you. heather: coming up two brothers face a judge accused of plotting a terror attack on u.s. soil. a live report coming up. >>> nasa struggling to find its footing after retiring the shuttle program. we'll take a look at a new study suggesting...
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that suggested he might be looking beyond paul ryan, beyond marco rubio to one of these governors. it's also happening on the democratic side, martin o'malley, one of the candidates who for sure wants to run is having a fund-raiser here in chevy chase, maryland, today. then he's going to be out in los angeles this week talking to big funders. another possible democrat, andrew cuomo, your governor there in new york, to be here in d.c. today talking to new york members and senators. >> never too soon to get started on 2016. mike allen with a look at the "playbook." thanks so much. >> have a great week. >>> coming up next on "morning joe" -- >> here we go. final seconds. luck steps. luck, a little flip, donnie avery, he's in! touchdown! indianapolis has done it! >> that is the rookie, andrew luck, engineering a last-second comeback against the lions. the indianapolis colts continue their let's call it miraculous march toward the playoffs given where they were last season. mike florio, our buddy, takes us through all the nfl action including the quarterback controversy here in new york
that suggested he might be looking beyond paul ryan, beyond marco rubio to one of these governors. it's also happening on the democratic side, martin o'malley, one of the candidates who for sure wants to run is having a fund-raiser here in chevy chase, maryland, today. then he's going to be out in los angeles this week talking to big funders. another possible democrat, andrew cuomo, your governor there in new york, to be here in d.c. today talking to new york members and senators. >>...
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marco rubio who i think is in a tier in his own, so far ahead of anybody else if he decides to run, he's worried about just being the hispanic candidate. so he's going to start adding substantive accomplishments to his record. he has a two-year plan between now and 2014, november of 2014 to try to notch some specific accomplishments on immigration and on the economic front. so if and when he does run for president, he's not just the great communicator in the eyes of republicans, but somebody that has substantive accomplishments. for paul ryan, he doesn't want to be the austerity guy. so he too is looking at poverty, looking at immigration, and other issues to broaden his own portfolio. we have a great nugget in the piece about how in the campaign he wanted to go in inner cities, talk about poverty, and he got slapped back by the romney folks who said there's no constituency, there's no votes, we're not focusing on those issues. >> what's the next act for paul ryan coming off a losing vice presidential bid? what does he do four years from now or eight years from now? >> from my reporting,
marco rubio who i think is in a tier in his own, so far ahead of anybody else if he decides to run, he's worried about just being the hispanic candidate. so he's going to start adding substantive accomplishments to his record. he has a two-year plan between now and 2014, november of 2014 to try to notch some specific accomplishments on immigration and on the economic front. so if and when he does run for president, he's not just the great communicator in the eyes of republicans, but somebody...
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at the museum today, florida senator marco rubio sat down with michaelen of "politico." he answered questions about the fiscal cliff. republican outreach to hispanic voters and a potential campaign for president. this is 45 minutes. [applause] >> thank you very much. you had a late night. >> not really. >> is bob still here? what would you like to ask senator rubio? [laughter] >> are you still doing this? >> ask him a real question. this is a great chance. >> last night you talked about a new direction for the republican party. and one of the things that you talked about is education. and how to make higher education cheaper, how to reform pell grants. what will be the number one thing that you would do, that you can do as a freshman minority senator? >> well, i don't think there is a number one thing. i think there's a number of number one things, you have to do them all. the biggest obstacle we face as a 21st century doesn't look like a 20th century student. it's not just an 18-year-old that graduated high school. it still continues to be a significant part of the folk
at the museum today, florida senator marco rubio sat down with michaelen of "politico." he answered questions about the fiscal cliff. republican outreach to hispanic voters and a potential campaign for president. this is 45 minutes. [applause] >> thank you very much. you had a late night. >> not really. >> is bob still here? what would you like to ask senator rubio? [laughter] >> are you still doing this? >> ask him a real question. this is a great...
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i will correct one comment, the democratic side and marco rubio and jerry moran, we have put forward legislation long before the election that says let's look at this, the competition issue and put forward an approach that many of us, including those of us in the business world, have been talking about for decades. let's recognize that while we know that we do need to prime the pump with science, engineering, math graduates, native-born americans, partly in the numbers with middle school with girls and children of color and the enormous challenges short and long term, we also have to still continue to attract talent from the world. one of the ways that we can and will is if we change the visa policies. if we had visa policies and immigration policies in effect in the 1970's and 1980's that we have now, we would never have had intel or google or the host of companies because many of those founders to graduate from american universities would not have been allowed to stay. as terry sullivan mentioned, are billed as a variety of things. the two most important is start with the lowest ha
i will correct one comment, the democratic side and marco rubio and jerry moran, we have put forward legislation long before the election that says let's look at this, the competition issue and put forward an approach that many of us, including those of us in the business world, have been talking about for decades. let's recognize that while we know that we do need to prime the pump with science, engineering, math graduates, native-born americans, partly in the numbers with middle school with...
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look at marco rubio's speech talking about the american dream beginning with janitors and other kinds of workers. ryan at that same dinner this week talking about needing to alleviate poverty. there is this -- all these cross currents in the republican party, and it comes around the issue of jobs. it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with demint leaving the senate. >> all right. david, thank you so much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday as we do every sunday. eugene, thank you as well. your latest column online at washingtonpost.com. >> guard that mustache, gene. >> i'm going to guard it with my life. >> and congressman emanuel cleaver, great to have you on set with us. >>> coming up, nbc chief white house correspondent chuck todd. and later in the show, "the economist" crunched the numbers and came up with the best countries to be born in in 2013. and the united states does not top their list. we'll find out who does
look at marco rubio's speech talking about the american dream beginning with janitors and other kinds of workers. ryan at that same dinner this week talking about needing to alleviate poverty. there is this -- all these cross currents in the republican party, and it comes around the issue of jobs. it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with...